ProudBoy’s Guide to Building Your Arsenal: Handguns

The ‘ProudBoys Guide to Building Your Arsenal’ is an ongoing series by Darrel Arnold. This first piece looks at handguns, and later pieces will discuss shotguns, rifles and more....
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The ‘ProudBoys Guide to Building Your Arsenal’ is an ongoing series by Darrel Arnold. This first piece looks at handguns, and later pieces will discuss shotguns, rifles and more.

Uhuru, ProudBoys. Obama, Hillary and the rest of the Democrat thugs that currently run our country have been very persistent with their attacks on the 2nd Amendment. Tragedies in Sandy Hook, Aurora, San Bernardino, and most recently Orlando have been exploited by the left over and over again. The progressive playbook for mass-gun murders is to blame guns, blame Republicans, and blame the NRA.

The left is smart and they know that the constitution makes it difficult for them to increase gun control legislation, but their secondary goal is to drill anti-gun attitudes INTO the culture. We must fight back. Our fight cannot be limited to having the correct argument against gun control; we must breed a culture in which guns are more accepted and prevalent in our lives. This means learning more about guns, developing our shooting skills, and then spreading that knowledge to our family and friends.

Many ProudBoys are already heavily armed and incredibly knowledgeable of our American gun culture. This is a guide for newbies or anyone looking to either buy their first firearm. There are many nuances of gun ownership that should be considered: legal restrictions based on the state (or country) of residence, purchase price/resale value, and of course the operational differences between different types of guns.

No ProudBoy Arsenal is complete without a handgun, shotgun, and high power rifle. Over your lifetime, you will probably own a few of each. But which category should you check off first?  How much are you looking to spend? What brand and model should you buy?

Remember that firearms are financial assets that are highly liquid with minimal depreciation. If you are struggling to make ends meet, you can sell one of your guns for cash or go out and shoot a deer to live off venison for months. Buying a top brand firearm will not only bring top performance, but increase the resale value and liquidity. Many firearms, like those with historical significance, actually appreciate in value. The gun market is one of the rare places that offer many fantastic American-made options including Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Kimber, Springfield Armory, Browning, Winchester, and Remington.

Handguns


Handguns are the most effective for home security and stopping random crime in public but they also happen to be the type of gun that is most heavy handedly regulated by state governments, so you must know your state’s laws regarding “Open Carry” and “Concealed Carry”. About half of the states in the union allow you to carry your handgun anywhere on your person as long as it is “in plain sight”. Many states allow open carry via license while others like New York and Illinois are strictly prohibitive of open carry.

Open carry is very dicey in California – you are basically required to prove your necessity of carrying openly and the state has a lot of discretion in terms of what they consider acceptable. For carrying concealed, some states like Arizona, Kansas, and West Virginia require no license whatsoever. A good majority of states “shall issue” a concealed carry permit as long as the applicant meets all legal requirements on the books. Other states, which regularly ignore the constitution such as New York, New Jersey, California, Maryland and Massachusetts, “may issue” concealed carry permits at their discretion (Meaning your chances of carrying concealed in these states are slim to nil). If you have the opportunity to get your concealed carry permit, I would highly recommend it.

A very small part of the class is actually “qualifying” (demonstrating shooting skill); most of what you discuss are legal scenarios to help you fully grasp the consequences of drawing your weapon with the intent to use it. For example, let’s say you are carrying concealed and get into a confrontation which you fear will soon escalate into a fight. Do you pull your gun out in order to show your adversary that you are armed and that he should back down? If you did, that action could be seen in a court of law as an assault committed by YOU. Legally, you should only draw your gun when it is absolutely clear that you or someone else is in imminent danger.

So if the law allows, you should probably own a handgun first. The only exception is if you have less than $400 to spend; if so get a shotgun which can still defend your home and allow you time to save a little more dough to buy your handgun, which will be a much more important purchase. The biggest operational considerations for handguns are trigger action, caliber, and concealability. But you also want a gun that looks fucking cool. A popular myth is that revolvers don’t jam up like slide-operated pistols do. Frankly, that’s bullshit.

A cheap revolver will jam (or misfire) just as easily as any other cheap pistol, which is why you shouldn’t be spending any less than $400 on your handgun. A decent entry-level handgun is more likely going to be between $500-700; a top notch name brand is going to cost $800-1200. Then there are custom and antique handguns that can be worth anywhere between $2-10k.  When you have your price range, now consider trigger action, caliber, and concealability.

All handguns have an “Action” which describes how the trigger works. There is a simple, but subtle difference between Single Action (SA) vs. Double Action (DA). Many handguns come with both. Single action means the trigger does the sole job of releasing the hammer (the hammer hits the firing pin, which strikes the primer in the bullet cartridge igniting the gunpowder and discharging the weapon). Samuel Colt’s first revolver was SA only, meaning the hammer had to be pulled back or “cocked” before each shot. About four decades later, Colt developed a Double Action handgun, where the trigger mechanism cocks the hammer and fires the weapon in one pull, dramatically increasing the speed in which one could shoot successive shots. The main difference between these actions in modern handguns is the amount of force required to pull the trigger.  Single-Action is a hair trigger, while Double Action will require a few pounds of force and each trigger pull will be LONGER in physical distance.  The difference can be huge in an actual firefight, so give it some thought. There’s no right answer, and there are plenty of options available with both.

As far is caliber is to be considered, the great debate is between stopping power – the effectiveness of the bullet to drop a target, and bullet capacity or how many rounds a gun holds.  Many 9 millimeter (9mm) handguns hold between 14-17 bullets which is very high compared to the larger caliber guns which regularly hold 6-8. The 9mm happens to be a very popular round in the urban ghettos amongst the drug gangs where they are looking to spray a barrage of shots into a corner full of rivals. Unfortunately, these homies don’t realize that the stopping power a 9mm is relatively poor and unless it’s a headshot or hits another vital organ, the chances of surviving a 9mm gunshot wound is pretty good.

There have been reports of U.S. Military on the front lines who regularly testify as to the inadequate stopping power of the 9mm. The 9mm round also has the common occurrence of over penetration which means the bullet travels through the intended target and poses a danger to other bystanders. My advice is to forgo capacity in favor of stopping power. Imagine yourself in an adrenalin packed, life and death situation where you are forced to pull your gun and fire at an attacker. Controlling your adrenaline is one thing, but will you realistically have time to fire off 16 rounds? By then you would either be dead or have killed your adversary multiple times over.

So you should want a larger round with more stopping power, but the higher in caliber you climb, the more you sacrifice in bullet capacity. Do yourself a favor and stay away from 9mm, .380 ACP, .32 ACP, or .22 as the stopping power is simply inadequate – at least in terms of home defense. If you desire higher capacity, go with .40 S&W. For maximum stopping power I would recommend .45 ACP or .357 Mag. Any caliber larger than 44 Mag is overkill and will cost more to shoot because of higher priced ammunition. If you are more of a revolver type of guy, remember that many .357 revolvers can also fire .38 Special which is a slightly smaller round (i.e. cheaper) but still has decent stopping power.

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Concealability is the final handgun consideration and has a close relation with the caliber and bullet capacity of the gun. Generally speaking the larger the caliber and the higher bullet capacity of the gun – the bigger and more difficult to conceal it will be. Some might not be looking to conceal their handgun. There are situations where having an 8” Magnum revolver strapped to your thigh and visible to the general public is much better than having a .32 ACP pussy popper hiding on your ankle and invisible to the world.

Recommendations

  1. The 1911 (.45 ACP)

Designed by American Hero John Browning, the 1911A1 is more than a century old and is still arguably the best handgun design ever. For proof just look at the 1911’s rich history of service in the US Military (which continues to this day) or the fact that nearly every major gun manufacturer sells a 1911 model. When Browning first designed this weapon it was considered a technological breakthrough and many of the groundbreaking innovations with the 1911 have since been incorporated into almost all modern pistols. The 1911 is the handgun embodiment of Occam ’s razor.  It is akin to an old fashioned American muscle car: built well and built to last. The 1911 is easy to disassemble and clean. It makes a great concealed carry (and even comes in a smaller, “compact” version) while still packing a punch with great stopping power. The cost can vary greatly depending on the brand and features with basic bare bones models running about $500 and top brand models that are tricked out with all the bells and whistles can reach the $2-3,000 range. Though 1911’s are made by many different companies, I would recommend: Kimber ($800-1500+) , Springfield Armory ($700-1200), or Ruger ($800-1100).

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Ruger SR1911; Springfield Armory Lightweight Champion 1911

 

 

  1. Heckler & Koch USP

(.40 S&W, .45 ACP recommended). H&K is a German company and generally considered to be a prestigious firearm manufacturer.  The USP model is extremely popular amongst elite law enforcement and military groups around the world.  It comes in a variety of calibers and offers both Single and Double Action (SA/DA) and can be fit with a suppressor (silencer). The USP shares many design features of the 1911 (for good reason) but has more modern features such as a mechanical recoil reduction system and a nitride finish which protects against corrosion making the gun easier to maintain. H&K USP’s will generally run between $700-1000, again depending on the features.

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  1. Smith and Wesson .357 Revolver

I would recommend either Model 27 or 19 (both are SA/DA) but definitely chambered for .357 (and .38 special, by default). Go with the “blued steel” finish over the chrome as the S&W Revolver is the quintessential “cop” gun. These revolvers are true standard bearers in looks and performance. If you desire concealability you can roll with the 2.5” snub nose but they’re also available with a 4” barrel or 6”- Dirty Harry style. You may be asking “Why not go with the .44 Magnum like Mr. Callahan in the movies?”  Well the jump in stopping power from .357 to .44 Mag. is marginal at best and you will sacrifice a good deal of control as .44 has a stronger recoil. You will also spend a lot more buying ammunition.  There is high variability among features with S&W Revolvers including trigger action (most are SA/DA) and the price range can run from $600-1200.

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Model 27

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Model 19

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honorable Mentions

Smith & Wesson M&P (.45 ACP) – DA only, another model that is very popular among law enforcement (M&P stands for Military & Police) and offers a rail for tactical attachments such as flashlight or laser sight.

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Sig Sauer P226 (.40S&W) Classic Sig design, another Law Enforcement/Military embraced model, also has quite a unique look to it. The P226 is available in SA/DA as are many Sig Sauer pistols.

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Colt Python (.357Magnum) DA/DA. Wanna get your Rick Grimes on? This weapon looks totally badass and does wonders for intimidation.  I think the chrome finish looks much better on this revolver (as opposed to the S&W) and if you get a python you MUST go with the 8” barrel.

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As editor-in-chief, I’m assuming the right to butt into this article and tell readers how fucking awesome this gun looks. And I’m a gun-hatin’ English boy. – Jack Buckby

 

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Darrel was born in Santa Rosa, California in 1984 and currently resides in Phoenix, Arizona. He earned a Bachelors degree in Psychology from the University of Northern Arizona in 2007, starting 3 seasons at Left Guard for the NAU Lumberjacks Football Team. He would later earn a Master's degree in Business from University of Phoenix. Darrel has a passion for scholarly pursuits such as economics, politics, and law; but is also an avid outdoorsman and loves to hunt and fish.
  • Jammie Smith

    I do not agree. Ruger has been making better built and structually stronger revolvers than S&W for quite a while now. They should have got at least an honorable mention for one of their models. My nominee would be the GP100 in .357 mag. http://www.ruger.com/products/gp100/specSheets/1752.html

    • Darrel Arnold

      Ruger makes superb revolvers and are a top quality gun manufacturer from Prescott, AZ. Obama has driven their stock (Strum, Ruger & co.) through the roof.

      I LOVE Ruger, but S&W was recommended more for the aesthetic appeal.

      • Jammie Smith

        You live in Phoenix? I own a house down there. Also, did you go to school with Grant Poley in Flagstaff? Just read your bio on the page here and my friend Grant went there around that time.

        • Darrel Arnold

          Yes, I’m in Phoenix. I was in Flagstaff at NAU from 2002-2007. I don’t recall a Grant, but it’s a small town so if he was at Maloney’s or Collins, or Museum Club, etc. etc on a regular basis – chances are we’ve crossed paths.

  • Muhammad Jihad ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    The stopping power of my pellet gun is questionable, so this was a great read.

    • Darrel Arnold

      Muhammad, if you are trying to kill infidels, you definitely need more stopping power than a pellet gun. The San Bernardino Shooters used .223 rifles and 9mm Handguns. Nadal Hissan – the Ft Hood shooter used a FN Five-Seven which is an extremely deadly handgun.

      • Muhammad Jihad ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Derka derka.

  • Lars Fladmark

    Good article, but a proper defensive 9mm round is still great for self defense. Also, the cheap range ammo is cheaper than any other caliber than .22. And if you’re going to trust your life to your gun, you’d better be shooting it as much as possible.

    • Darrel Arnold

      9mm is a good round, and as you pointed out before – hollow points increase stopping power dramatically.

  • Rik Storey

    Great article and look forward to the rest of the series. It was very refreshing that you based your selections on the round rather than just saying Glock and a few others. I also want to add that my grandfather wielded dual 1911’s during WWII. That just screams, ‘BOSS!’ to me.

    • Darrel Arnold

      Yes the “caliber” debate or “is stopping power real or significant” question can never really be answered. Small calibers are still deadly (and better in hollow-point) and it really comes down to personal preference.

      When my mother consulted me in what type of gun to get we settled on a lady S&W 357. She is a tiny woman, and could probably control a 9mm much better – but I don’t envision her in combat. She needs a gun a late night burglary or surprise assailant on the way to her car in a empty lot… Both those are close quarters situations and it’s not going to be target shooting it’s going to be: aim center mass pull till it goes click

  • Cale McKay

    I carry a Sig p225 with the double action trugger and I love it.#proudboy #queencreek/Gilbert

  • Allan Miller

    “Stopping power” is mostly a myth. Put as many rounds as you can in the most effective area (center mass) as quickly as possible and you’ll stop the threat. You’re going to be under the highest stress moment of your life which means you’re going to miss so bring a lot of bullets – this disqualifies the 1911.

    SOCOMM, SeALs, MARSOC, AFSOC…….most Special Ops are switching to the Glock 19 and away from the 1911s. 1911s have had their day but they’re old, unsafe, relatively unreliable, and overly complicated to break down and maintain. Pretty much any Glock or modern semiauto is going to be a better choice than a 1911.

    H&Ks are unnecessarily expensive for what you get…a nice-feeling and visually attractive Glock

    All revolvers are old and mostly inferior to modern handgun technology. If there’s a small edge in reliability, it’s wiped out by round count limitations, shot followup, weight, controllability, reload speed, etc. Also, Ruger has been making better revolvers than Smith for decades.

    We finally get to a good weapon when you get to the P226. Still heavier than a Glock or M&P, though. Once you get into these, it’s more subjective so buy what you shoot well and make sure it’s reliable with the ammo you plan to use.

    I have other disagreements and complaints but I’ll let that cook for now. POYB

    • Darrel Arnold

      I will concede that “stopping power” is definitely not an exact science, but I would not go so far as to call it a “myth” either. It’s very difficult to objectively quantify considering almost all gunshot wounds are unique depending on the angle, the distance, and the caliber/powder grain.

      I think some are interpreting my recommendations as the same as saying 9mm is a bad round. I’m definitely not saying that – I’m just suggesting larger rounds that tend to be more effective in close quarters situations like a home burglary or physical confrontation.

      As far as Military and LE are concerned – there is a wide range or what is used and much of it still comes down to personal preference. There are plenty of cops who still use revolvers, and there are many elite military groups who have switched from the Baretta m9 to the 1911A1 specifically for performance reasons.

      Glocks are FANTASTIC weapons that are extremely affordable. Personally – I dislike Double Action only handguns – which includes all Glocks. If you are a DA only lover, Glock may be a great choice. The H&K USP and many Sig handguns offer the same reliability and modern style, but also include Single AND Double action (which again, comes down to personal preference).

      Also – I’m not in love with the aesthetic appeal of Glocks. They are very plain and unimaginative (IMO) and that is the main reason they are not on my list of recommendations.

      • Allan Miller

        I’d be interested to know who, besides the regular Marines and perhaps an individual member of a SOF unit here or there, is opting for the 1911 over a Glock or Sig?

        The Glock trigger is a safe but easy 5lbs (alterable down or up, of course), DA or not. As I’m sure you know, it’s not a standard DA like a revolver, a Walther, a Para, etc. The trigger pulls more like SA and is actually quite good.

        I’m fine with collecting/owning pretty guns as long as someone has a reliable weapon which he or she can use for defense. That is my real concern and why I wrote a response. I believe that people should opt for the newer tech before indulging in 1911s and other pretty weapons because their life could depend on it some day.

        • Darrel Arnold

          It’s a good question – my understanding is that many soldiers get to choose. Some prefer the 1911, many are moving towards the Glock. This article discusses the chronology of the changes over the last few years:

          http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/02/19/marines-allow-operators-to-choose-glocks-over-marsoc-45.html

          According to the experts cited – the 1911 was more accurate, but requires more training and maintenance than the Glocks.

          • Allan Miller

            No sir, the vast majority of soldiers are issued a weapon and have no choice.
            Special Forces mostly get to choose what they like…which is why the majority usually choose Glocks, Sigs, or H&Ks.

            MARSOC (Marine Special Forces) are dropping the 1911 for the Glock 19 after other SOFs have done likewise.
            https://sofrep.com/53591/socom-adopts-glock-19-will-big-army-follow/
            https://sofrep.com/47496/47496/

            And the Army might be close behind:
            http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/21/army-chief-eyeing-glock-pistol-as-services-next-sidearm.html

            Simply enough, the 1911s provide no advantage for anyone in battle. I suspect the regular Marines maintain it merely for the sake of tradition since a Glock or similar .45 would do the job of a 1911 as well or better and would, as you said, require less maintenance and less training. The difference in accuracy, if one exists, between a 1911 and a Glock is irrelevant in the close quarters in which combat handguns are intended to be used.

          • Darrel Arnold

            Do you know for a fact that the majority of special forces choose Glocks, Sigs, or H&K’s? I would be skeptical of that until I saw the data (which may be impossible to retrieve)

            We all know a basic grunt is going to be issued a weapon with no say. But a Navy Seal or Army Ranger? Even the MARSOC marines that you mention are given the OPTION to go with the glock – many are keeping their 1911’s.

            I disagree that the 1911 provides no advantage. I found a “1911 vs Glock” article from sofrep.com where the former ranger gives the 1911 the advantage in reliability and effectiveness;

            https://sofrep.com/60925/former-army-ranger-nick-irving-compares-the-glock-and-1911/

            He says: “Contrary to what some may think, the 9mm has more kinetic energy than the .45 cal. all due to the 9mm higher muzzle velocity. Don’t get too excited those not in favor of the 1911. Being that the 9mm’s muzzle velocity is greater than the slow .45, it increases the chances of the projectile fully penetrating a soft target, thus not allowing the full transfer of kinetic energy, hence the Taylor Factor. The Taylor Factor: Even though the 9mm has more energy, it’s smaller bullet and higher velocity makes the transfer of energy less efficient, meaning the 9mm is much more likely to penetrate FURTHER, but do LESS DAMAGE along the way than the .45acp. The Taylor factor describes how well a bullet transfer’s its momentum/energy to the target. A 9mm has a Taylor factor of 7.29, while the .45acp has a Taylor factor of 13.37, meaning the bigger diameter .45acp is nearly TWICE as effective at transferring energy to the target. Advantage: .45acp”

          • Allan Miller

            I only know what I’ve personally seen, heard, and read. A disturbing number carry the M9 – I don’t know why. Sigs are popular despite their problems and Glocks are popular. It’s true that 1911s are still used though – just not as popular. There may be data out there but I don’t think the argument is important enough that anyone has studied it to that extent.

            More anecdotally and less convincingly, most of the IDPA participants I’ve seen who use 1911s end up switching over time. It’s kind of a running joke I have with my bro-in-law when we see someone show up with one where we “give him 3mos” before he brings something else.

            Irving didn’t give the reliability edge to either weapon in that article. He gave credit to the 1911 for “historical achievements,” for some reason, and Glock makes a .45acp so, for those who have a choice, the round count, lighter weight, and easier field stripping/cleaning gives the Glock an edge. I’d say the lack of grip safety, too but some people just don’t seem to mind it. I don’t have much interest in a 9mm vs .45 argument.

            I dunno. People like what they like. I sold all mine years ago because I don’t have any emotional attachment to them. None of mine had any collector value that couldn’t be replaced by something older or better. But I do truly believe they are more dangerous and less reliable with untested ammo.

  • Wilmur Hamilton

    Uhuru. Thought I’d chime in and give my $.02.

    $400+ isn’t necessary at all when buying a handgun. That said, if you can afford it go for it. If not well then, the free market has driven prices low and made quality high. My recommendations for sub $400 hand cannons are the S&W 2nd and 3rd gen. sigma series in 9mm and .40, the Taurus millennium pro gen 2 9mm, and to throw in a revolver- the down and dirty Rossi .38 a snub nose. ALL can be had for under $300 (Taurus, Rossi under $200). ALL have performed flawlessly for me. I just wanted people to know that there are budget friendly options that are very reliable.

    My second comment is about “stopping power” and the myth of the .45 and it’s ol’ tired story of how it was the only thing that would put “those gooks” down. For the record, the following is speculation on my part. Here goes: the reason the 9mm wouldn’t stop the enemy in one shot was because of the Geneva convention’s ban on hollow point (HP) ammunition. In that specific scenario yes, I concede that the bigger (much slower) chunk of lead landed with a little more punch than the round nosed 9mm. However, MODERN ammo technology is vastly superior to the rounds that were being used back in the jungle. Expansion is amazing now and there are plenty of reliable options. Couple that with a minimum of 14 rounds in the mag, and I’ll take that ANY day over 7 biggins in a 100+ year old design (1911).

    So in closing, go get a fucking gun already proud boys!!! You’ve got options on ANY budget. And having a .22lr bersa thunder is better than having nothing. Don’t forget you gotta be able to afford ammo too!

    Great article! Looking forward to the next. Proud of your boy!

    • Alex Wang

      Very good response, brotha. I’ve been steered away from Taurus by my friends, haha. As far as .40’s go for concealed carry… I’ve played around with a compact Springfield XD .40 and wasn’t the biggest fan of how much recoil it had vs the amount of rounds it held. Just didn’t feel like a safe carry option for me. I’ve been bouncing between M&P shield, Walther PPQ M2, and G43 for pocket carry. Think I’ve finally decided on G43. Not typically a Glock nut but it’s got the goods, man. Closest subcompact in dimension is the PPQ M2 from what I’ve seen.

      • Wilmur Hamilton

        Thanks for the response. It reminded me of a very important point I forgot to make. Comfort and feel! Something overlooked by first time buyers relativity often. Your gun needs to feel right in your hand! Make sure to pick out several models in your price range that offer what you’re looking for, and HOLD THEM! All the top specs and features won’t matter much if yo piece ain’t comfortable.

        Mansfield, TX Proud Boy

        • Alex Wang

          Very nice. Houston proud boy here. Uhuru

    • Darrel Arnold

      Uhuru, William, thanks for the response and I’m glad you enjoyed the piece. I will say that you have a great point in that there are actually very decent handgun options out there for sub $400 prices. Taurus, Rock Island, and other similar companies make decent options for people on a tight budget. Another person brought up that buying on the secondary market is a great way to save some cash. My general deciding point was that those guns aren’t going to hold their value as well as more desirable name brand weapons in terms of resale – also, they might have a higher chance of failure than more expensive, new guns.

      As for the stopping power debate – I get it. I’ve heard both sides, trust me. There is no definitive consensus, people with either believe in the “Taylor Factor” or not.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_KO_Factor

      I tend to buy the Taylor Factor. And while I’ve already said in other comments that the 9mm is definitely not a BAD round, I just think .45ACP and .357 are much better. You are 100% correct about hollow points and modern 9mm ammunition being drastically more effective than earlier 9mm. But even so, you’d have to admit that .45ACP or .357 Hollow Points are going to be better still than 9mm HPs, Right?

      Finally, you mention 14 rounds vs 7 with the 1911. With a Wilson Combat Mag (which i HIGHLY suggest for any 1911 owner) and 1 in the chamber, that’s 9. The way I figure it, the chances of me being in a situation where I need a gun are pretty small. The chances of me being in a situation where I needed a gun with MORE than 10 rounds is probably astronomically small. That being said I DO own a high capacity 9mm that is perfect for CC.

      Uhuru, POYB

      • Wilmur Hamilton

        I just took an Ambien 30 minutes ago so bear with me… My best friend’s brother was robbed by two… Let’s call them “Milwaukeeans” at his home. A girl knocked on his door, and when he answered it, the two Milwaukeeans busted in. (They were hiding on either side of the door). They eventually won the struggle of getting inside and everyone retreated to their corners to shoot at each other (probably with guns held sideways). My friends brother was hit multiple times and so was one milwaukeean. They all ran out of ammo. All were using target ammo, my friends brother emptied 14-15 rounds of .40cal from his S&W sw40 (sigma). Nobody died. Now what would’ve happened if he ran out of ammo in that firefight because he only had 8 rounds at his disposal, and the other guys had thirty rounds between them? After hearing that story I always went with Speer gold dot HP’s in my 9mm that holds 17 rounds. After all the shooting had stopped and his brother was laying on the floor bleeding, one of the milwaukeeans found his Mossberg Maverick 88 pistol grip 18″ 12g (already loaded with birdshot, that I had actually sold to my friend a few months earlier) and on their way out shot him in the leg with it at close range. The milwaukeeans and the girl are all in prison. And btw, this was because he had an ounce of bud they were trying to relieve him of. It was really good shit though. Anyway. That’s why I always choose capacity and HP over larger rounds. And that is a real world scenario…

        Boy of yer proud! (Ambien)

        • Darrel Arnold

          Very interesting. My father was a victim of a home invasion and the perpetrators used very similar tactics – A non-threatening woman came up to the door while two armed men were hiding on the side of the house and when my dad opened the door the had guns in his face.

          Anyways – back to the stopping power discussion – you said that both your friend’s brother and one of the intruders were hit multiple times but still lived. If 14-15 rounds of .40 cal cannot get the job done, what are another 2-3 rounds going to do?

          It seems to me that if your friend or his brother had a .45ACP or .357 – one round each might be enough to put the “Milwaukeeans” down for the count.

  • Wilmur Hamilton

    Oh hey, real quick for everyone shopping for guns and ammo, I’ve always found the best deals at http://www.slickguns.com

    I don’t work for them I’m not making money by saying this here. I just want people who are reading this to know that this place is updated daily and basically just has regular dudes post good deals that they find here. That is all

  • Alex Wang

    I’m not in agreeance with your opinion on 9mm’s. It almost sounded more like you were describing .22LR rounds… 9mm handguns are a popular defense options for pretty legitimate reasons. Granted, it’s all pretty subjective when it comes to personal preference… But 9mm and .380’s are adequate enough to stop a threat with defense rounds. You’ll never have a problem with “over penetration” with them… In fact, our local paramedic hasn’t really seen many exit wounds OR survivors of defense rounds… They usually die by the time first responders show up. And anyone would be a fucking idiot of they loaded their defense carries with range ammo… REGARDLESS of what caliber they were carrying.

    On top of that, 9mm compact/subcompact selections have more optimal concealed carrying options than .45’s AND they can carry more ammo while staying nice and hidden. 9mm not having enough stopping power is really not a good argument.

    Personally, I would recommend larger caliber handguns for special situations but mostly home defense. I’m currently rocking a Beretta PX4 storm 9mm Type F (converted to type G) and shopping a G43 and a Chiappa Rhino .357.

    My suggestions for concealed carry would be: M&P Shield 9mm, Walther PPQ M2, Glock 42/43. All single stacks that are easy to conceal, easy to fire, and incredibly reliable in terms of mechanics and STOPPING POWER. Also, much easier to handle than a .45. I will say that there are some pretty good .38 snub noses that are great for pocket carries, too.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Uhuru

  • Michael Deane

    Great article. From MA and looking to get my LTC so taking required classes and getting all documents in order. Seen ballistic tests showing similar penetration between modern 9mm vs 45mm acp, but having shot glock19 and glock20 recently, the 45 acp just feels solid. Looking at the Sig p320 45 acp which can easily convert down to 9mm for cheaper range practice. Might be a while for that one though since the Sig p320 is being bought by several LE and Militaries worldwide. They also take a while to manufacture MA compliant versions. Uhuru.

  • Chance Boudreaux

    Good article. 2 points though that I’m sure others will also make.
    1. Stopping Power. Modern defensive handgun rounds have similar stopping power. Much like the FBI and other agencies, I worked for an agency that switched from 9MM to .40. People started having trouble qualifying and .40 is more expensive to boot. They are now looking at switching back to 9MM. 9MM is easier to shoot and you generally get more rounds in the mag.
    2.You can get a decent carry pistol for $250. I bought my wife a Taurus Millennium G2 and have shot a ton of rounds through it and it’s a great striker fired pistol with good carry ergonomics. There are others in that price range, just stay away from Hi-Point.

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